Wednesday, December 10, 2008

So yeah, Lytvyn is the speaker again. I wasn't going to comment on it at all, until a Facebook friend asked me to. They showed some fat woman give him a huge bouquet of white roses when he returned to his speaker's seat after such a long absence. He also got a hug and a kiss - and red roses - from Yulia. BYuT and the Communists voted very well for him, NUNS did okay, too, while the Party of Regions voted against. I really don't have any thoughts on it and couldn't care less. And I said all I wanted to say about Lytvyn a year or so ago, here.

P.S. As for the "new" coalition - well, good for them, I guess.


  1. Lots of Brownian motion - nothing accomplished. President Baloha, er, Yushchenko did - zilch. What was the point of all this?

    Tell me one thing, please. One of the commenters on the Ukrainian Pravda article got his panties all in a bunch because Yulia gave red roses to Lytvyn. What is that all about?

    Rose-giving, or flower giving, seems to have been extremely and firmly entrenched in sovok times. I first ran into it when I first visited the sovok union. Flower-giving all over the place, on what seemed like the slightest pretext.

    I guess it's a nice gesture, and giving flowers is, of course, done in the West, but it seemed to me to be way extreme and odd at that time in the sovok union. Still does - when politicians keep delivering flowers to each other, when you know, in fact, they've been stabbing each other in the back.

    At any rate, can you please tell me why anyone would get all snotty about Yulia giving Lytvyn red roses, instead of yellow roses?

  2. Haven't read any comments on Yulia's roses, but I suspect that the significance of it is that Yulia felt that her folks' excellent pro-Lytvyn voting record was not enough to make him feel special - or not enough for the media and the electorate to notice? - and decided to reinforce it with a bit of herself.

    It was probably a way of sending a message that she's not with Yanukovych, a way to counter recent allegations... I'm too lazy to remember her relationship with Lytvyn in the past, but it wasn't too cordial, right? So the roses are probably supposed to mean something on a different level as well, now that Lytvyn can decide her fate...

    All irrelevant outside the circus, of course.

  3. According to a Canadian news report, the "Ukrainian crisis" is over:

  4. God bless Canada )

  5. Elmer, if Yulia had given him yellow roses, THAT would've created even a huger fuss!!! Because in the sovok union not just givng flowers mattered, but even more--WHAT FLOWERS (and, of course, in what quantity and if it was an even or odd number.) So, according to the "Sovok Flower Culture 101" yellow flowers are "for feparture." Thank god she gave him red. At least, a blood-covered back-stabbing tool would conveniently blend in.

    And God bless Canada )

  6. Why don't they just give each other dead fish wrapped in newspaper, like the mafia used to do in the US? After all, that's what the "political elite" in Ukraine is all about. I don't think I have ever seen a poll indicating such public mistrust of government, meaning all of the branches of government, including parliament, the ministers and the president, as the most recent polls in Ukraine. Sovoks gone wild - that's "government" in Ukraine.

    Sasha, thanks for the lesson in "Sovok Flower Culture." I'm still of the opinion that the sovoks beat people so severely and so often over the head, that people in Ukraine can't think straight.

    And the latest - Ukraine still does not have a coalition, there's no written agreement, blah, blah, blah.

    Even when Ukrainians agree (the "political elite") - they find ways to disagree.

  7. Lytvyn is patting himself on the back for regaining the Chair, Yulia is talking publicly about shuffling positions around the CabMin... and Yushchenko's supporters аре still saying the coalition does not exist, with one guy calling the Lytvyn coalition "complete demagoguery." PSD voted for Lytvyn, but OU is of a different opinion. According to the law, a faction/bloc that has won seats in parliament as a united force cannot break off and form a new faction- OU and PSD cannot split. 32 OU deputies who voted against Lytvyn have also stated their opposition to renewing the Tymoshenko government.
    244 voted for Lytvyn, but that also included some from PR and the ComParty. However, if you put together the number of deputies from Lytvyn bloc, Tymoshenko Bloc, and PSD it is 226... not enough for a coalition.
    ... However, since when has the letter of the law ever really prevented shenanigans in Ukrainian politics?...