tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5202630.post113223782346454940..comments2023-06-23T16:13:12.577+03:00Comments on Neeka's Backlog: Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5202630.post-1132258588015554872005-11-17T23:16:00.000+03:002005-11-17T23:16:00.000+03:00Max's link is to the typical Soviet bullshit, or I...Max's link is to the typical Soviet bullshit, or I mean ideology, that is used to discredit everyone and anyone standing against whatever direction the Soviet winds were blowing at the moment. Of course, in Peljura's time, his crime was that of fighting for the Ukrainian National Republic that eventually declared its independence from the Russian Empire. Petljura was a bourgeois-nationalist of sorts, but his supporters included other nationalists from a liberal to quite conservative orientation; "national-communists" or those who wanted socialism in Ukraine with a Ukrainian face; social-democrats; as well as proto-fascist elements that were growing in strength, not just in Ukraine, but in Russia and all over Europe, too, at the time. Like Nestor Makhno, Petljura's image is victim of a successful Bolshevik propaganda machinary that painted him as an anti-Semite and pogromist. This is bullshit. Max's link has a link to some images that show Petljura in this light. In actual fact, both Petljura and Makhno took very strong stances against anyone in their armies who committed pogroms. They both ordered the execution of any ataman (roughly, captain) in their armies who engaged with his troops in anti-Semitic acts. But it was very effective to paint them as masterminds of pogroms. Nonetheless, they both had Jewish supporters. <BR/><BR/>I don't have links off the top of my head, but the information is out there for anyone who wants to try to cut through the fog of Soviet ideology, as well as of the revisionist history typical of what has been quite rightly criticized as "the Holocaust industry." There is no doubt that people associated with either of these two, very important figures in Ukrainian history were anti-Semites and pogromists; but the important thing here is that both of these leaders took strong stances against such actions. And we now know even more so that this is the truth about them because of access to formerly, top-secret Soviet files. A book was recently published on Makhno using such documents that disproves the myth. <BR/><BR/>So much of Ukraine's real history is waiting to be thusly rescued. <BR/><BR/>And oh, the other problem with the link that Max gave: Petljura is categorized as a "terrorist." Whatever. <BR/><BR/>Best wishes to you Neeka, as you await the birth of your child! I am glad you got out of that terrible sauna. . .am enjoying reading your thoughts in these days, as usual. . .Stefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00913779662275547638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5202630.post-1132253213265956562005-11-17T21:46:00.000+03:002005-11-17T21:46:00.000+03:00"Petlyura served in Tsarist Army" is not quite tru..."Petlyura served in Tsarist Army" is not quite true; as far as I remember, he was working in some sort of NGO:<BR/>http://www.peoples.ru/state/criminal/terrorist/petlura/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com